Objet: Re: action in the net : cartographes sans lieu Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 13:32:22 +0100 we are constructing our site, working on cartographie1...and in the mean time would you not invite the group of sans-papiers travelling in cyberspace to full residence on the site n5m...??? marion Objet: Re: action in the net : cartographes sans lieu Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 08:41:58 +0100 n5m is dead, sorry. it is a coalition of groups, a conference but why do you need web? do you or anyone need webspace? or would they need e-mail addresses? residence sounds nice but what do you mean? a cyberspace with free terminals in paris, that would be something... geert Objet: Re: action in the net : cartographes sans lieu Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 10:52:02 +0100 ciao geert, this is extraordinary!!!!! while we work as mad on a website and on contact with other websites, you say, who needs websites, e-mail addresses not residence, free terminals... i felt all of a sudden that it's true, that's that? - so now what do we do with our website? it's a shock to me... well, thanks for the shock? marion Objet: Re: action in the net : cartographes sans lieu Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 17:12:32 -0800 the shock of the new? I just meant that there are lots of free services available these days see the www.waag.org/free4what campaign for a debate about this. we have been running the freenet www.dds.nl for many years, but now there are mainly commercial free services such as hotmail, geocities and even free access. This means a shift towards the interface with reality. On that level we can see hypergrowth of cybercafes and people with a dial-up connection. In certain places the cable modems and broadband is going down in price. We can find Internet in virtually every place on earth - and this is no joke. What now counts is speed, bandwidth, not access or webspace as such. For refugees I think it would very useful to have a few dedicated terminals here and there, besides a phone, television and food. I think it is a human right these days, to be able to communicate, with your friends, your community (elsewhere, anywhere), and with authorities. geert Objet: Re: action in the net : cartographes sans lieu Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 13:31:42 +0100 the shock is getting better. i would say it's the shock of the old...one thinks to get rid of it, and then again one falls in the good old trap of doing construction, structuring, while thinking to be out of these schemes... marion Objet: Re: action in the net : cartographes sans lieu Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 19:09:04 -0800 the shock of the old is a great imagine applies very much to internet these days geert Objet: Re: action in the net : cartographes sans lieu Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 22:10:08 -0800 at the beginnig we wanted just to do an e-mail project, provide modems to some sans-papiers collectifs and free terminal at "le magasin" in grenoble? during the three month exhibition. marion Objet: Re: action in the net : cartographes sans lieu Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 23:15:00 -0800 but that's good anyway. hardware is always good and necassary. geert Objet: Re: action in the net : cartographes sans lieu Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 17:51:27 -0800 the shock of the old is a great imagine applies very much to internet these days please say more about this - is it because we get tranformed through this instrument? it changes our perceptions of time and closeness in our personal? space... marion Objet: Re: action in the net : cartographes sans lieu Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 11:01:10 -0800 no, because of the mergers between aol, timewarner, now emi the economic reality of new media will soon close most of the above mentioned utopian constructions which relate to perception, transformations, identity, all that. geert Objet: Re: action in the net : cartographes sans lieu Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 02:16:34 -0800 please geert, help me to understand all this - what is "aol" "timewarner" "emi"here we arrived to a central point... is this science fiction or as science fiction.. marion Objet: Fw: AOL to buy Time Warner in $350 billion merger Date: Mon, 01 feb 2000 01:53:29 -0800 it was the biggest merger of the fresh century america on line merged with time warner worth 350 billion dollars then two weeks later EMI merged with warner forming the biggest recording industry geert http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,33531,00.html Objet: Re: Fw: AOL to buy Time Warner in $350 billion merger Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 15:32:58 +0100 hallo geert, thank's for the information that it's not perceptions and blabla that determin us but aol time warner!!! yesterday all newspapers in paris related about vivendi and vodafone - such strange sounds... two days ago the palais tokyo list send me a text about vivendi and vodafone, i thought all was invented. ciao,marion Objet: Re: Fw: Fw: action in the net : cartographes sans lieu Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 07:59:46 -0800 what is the new geert, concerning the web and the world ??? marion Objet: Re: Fw: Fw: action in the net : cartographes sans lieu Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 15:09:18 -0800 a relaxed one, for sure no big media expectations let's just do stuff, that's always good try, connect, write, exchange ideas are you ready? will you inform the others? best, geert  [ m.c. berlin ] Faut en parler, de ce que le nomadisme de la NETcitoyenneté est le DIANÉGATIF du problème des lois de schengen, des mentalités fermeture des frontières? la vitesse d'un aménagement de data représentant des Sans Papiers, cela veut signaler un problème spécifique. - protester contre une législation scandaleuse - montrer une solidarité (est ce une solidarité valable, qui se réduite à des signes?). Ou bien célébrer l'autovalorisation des NETIZENS, qui se sentent ouverts et sans frontières alors même qu'ils cautionnent un système capitaliste motorisé par la contradiction bien placée d'une mondialisation et d'une nationalisation d'un nouveau réseau dans le premier monde. Moi je crois qu'il ne faut pas seulement en parler... il faut aussi développer de cela une stratégie ou un code: poser qu'on est dans une contradiction, dans une ambivalence aiguë en travaillant sur le net, et qu'on veut apporter une contribution pour le droit de demeurer là où l'on veut, pour les revendications des sans papiers. peut-être pourrait-on commencer à utiliser la présente image des sans papiers pour PERTURBER le fonctionnement des affaires du net, comme un ENLÈVEMENT (sans issue) vers d'autres pages qui montrent une problématique différente ou pour se mêler au monde des fringues et commercialité. |
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[ stephan grégory. munich ]
19/01/2000 From the contribution by 'M.C. de Berlin' I could see that the project also includes a quite acute awareness of the possible traps and ambivalences one encounters in the cultural/ artistic representation of other peoples problems ("célébrer l'autovalorisation des NETIZENS, qui se sentent ouverts et sans frontières..."). I think the project is conscious of (and working with) the difference between the virtual freedom of cybernomadism and the restrictions imposed on real-world-migrancy, and obviously the aim is not to just to enrich and sophisticate cyber-debate and net-art but to provoke some reaction in the political and institutional hardware. It seems to me that there is a very simple and effective criterium to tell a practice of political and personal solidarity from the - even unintentional - cultural exploitation of 'otherness': it is the active participation and a vivid critique of those who are talked about. So I think that - as for any similar project - the success of 'cartographes sans lieu' is quite dependent on the involvement of real-world-Sans-Papiers: will they like to participate in it, will they recognize their problems in the problems the project arrises, will they like to to criticize it if necessary? | |